What does it cost a Black educator to stay in a system that refuses to heal?
In this episode of The Exit Interview: A Podcast for Black Educators, Dr. Asia Lyons is joined by Jamilah Pitts—writer, educator, wellness leader, and global traveler—to share her unfiltered story of love, harm, resistance, and renewal. Jamilah traces her path from a joyful third grader who dreamed of teaching, to a seasoned educator navigating toxic schools and internalized oppression within leadership. She reflects on the weight of carrying students' liberation in her heart while fighting to protect her own humanity. Together, Asia and Jamilah name the violence that often goes unspoken in education spaces and envision what it means to center healing, wholeness, and radical self-trust. This is not just a story about leaving—it's a blueprint for reclaiming wellness, honoring truth, and refusing to shrink.
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